Grace Bullock interviews John A. Powell during the Mind & Life Institute’s 2014 International Symposium of Contemplative Studies pre-conference keynote. They discuss the bridge between the active and contemplative life as well as sameness and difference. They explore why the contemplative movement in the United States has not engaged black traditions, how race and culture are implicit in educational systems, ways to frame uncomfortable conversations, problems with the idea of inclusion, and what contemplative social justice looks like. The final 30-minutes are especially poignant.